Full disclosure: I really (really, really) struggled with this post. It has eaten up a lot of hours and gone through at least four separate iterations before reaching this one (which, to be honest, I am still not totally happy with). In between writing, I was a guest on a call in radio show with my good friend and colleague Heather Rootsaert to chat about the research and where physical education is heading. I also read and responded to a number of tweets about the work, including a short interchange with Matt Ladwig, one of the authors (who was also interviewed on the radio show). I am also scheduled to chat with Matt via Skype in the near future to further the conversation and maybe look at some form of collaboration moving forward.

So, here goes…

Have you seen this recent piece of research which was featured in the New York Times?

“My best memory is when I was done with it”: PE Memories are associated with adult sedentary behaviour.

I’d encourage you to go and read the research paper BEFORE you read the NYT article (more about that later). I have provided a non-exhaustive summary below along with some of my own comments.

The focus of the work was an online questionnaire (1028 Americans) that asked participants to rate their past enjoyment of physical education (PE) along with current aspects of physical activity and sedentary behaviour in their lives today . Respondents were also able to share their best and worst memories of PE (and a few other things). Let’s start there.

The best memories of PE were organized into three over-arching themes: enjoyment (56%), physical competence (37%) and non-participation (7%). Respondents shared their love of the activities chosen, the good times with friends, enjoyment of both competitive and non-competitive activities, challenges and accomplishments, praise from peers/ teachers and, the how happy they were to skip PE. So far, we have quite a bit to celebrate, and a serious concern as 7% of the ‘best memories’ involve people finding ways to skip PE. Furthermore, the best memories peaked in grade 9 and then declined. Let’s dive in further.

The worst memories were organized into 6 main themes: embarrassment (34%), lack of enjoyment (18%), bullying (17%), injury (16%), social physique anxiety (14%) and punishment (2%). Participants shared their often painful memories such as: performing a skill in front of the whole class; running a mile and getting lapped by athletic kids; being the last one picked; told to ‘shake off’ an injury; having their weight announced to the entire class and; having to run laps for misbehaviour. These negative memories began to be more common around grade 6 and peaked from 7-9 (perhaps coinciding with puberty and a shift from elementary school to junior high?). These unpleasurable experiences in PE are disconcerting and should make us pause and reflect on our own practice and indeed the place of PE in education as a whole.

Finally, the authors correlated the results from their modified Physical Activity Enjoyment Scale (modified to ask about PE) and the International Physical Activity Questionnaire. What stood out for me was the following:

“Memories of enjoyment of PE via the modified PACES were the most substantial correlates of present-day attitudes and intentions for PA” (p. 123).

For those who like stats, here is a direct quote with (some of) the numbers:

“Specifically, Pearson correlations showed that retrospective reports
of PE enjoyment as a child were significantly related to current overall attitude (r = 0.37 P < 0.00001), affective attitude (r = 0.40, P < 0.00001), cognitive attitude (r = 0.23, P<0.00001), intention (r = 0.23, P < 0.00001), and sedentary time on the weekend (r = −0.14, P < 0.00001), but not time sitting on the weekdays (r = −0.08, P = 0.007). In addition, embarrassment in PE as a child was significantly related to current attitudes (r = 0.26, P < 0.00001) and intentions (r = 0.18, P < 0.00001), but not sedentary time on either weekdays (r = −0.10, P = 0.09) or the weekend (r = −0.11, P = 0.01)” (p. 123-125).

So… if,

  • memories of enjoyment are – “the most substantial correlates of present-day attitudes and intentions for PA” (p. 123)”,
  • there were both positive AND negative memories shared,
  • less than 1% (9/1028) of the participants stated that their best memory was “Happy when it was no longer required” (p. 125) and,
  • one of the authors stated: “We’re not saying the experiences are deterministic and that one negative experience is going to determine a person’s physical activity level for the rest of their life,” Panteleimon Ekkekakis – CBC News 

Why the XXXX was the title of the paper, “My best memory is when I was done with it”  ????????

Furthermore, the NYT article stated: “The most consistent associations were between unpleasant memories of P.E. classes and lingering resistance to exercise years later, the researchers found.” Doesn’t seem to fit the DIRECT quote from the article above, does it? No, it does not.

Most of the Twitter conversations that I read also focused on the negative aspects of #physed memories and the study as whole. That response is entirely understandable. In fact, this is not the first time issues of negative memories of PE have been raised. Dr. Billy Strean wrote a similar qualitative article in 2009 that also garnered some press and reaction. Back in 2013 I wrote ‘Not in my gym’ to respond to a similar article about negative memories on slate.com.

As you may have guessed, I was TICKED OFF that the researchers positioned the paper the way they did. I figured that the way it was framed was a way to alert the media and get some hits – click bait, if you will. Yes, the study should be cause for reflection for all PE teachers (and others – more to come there…) and be a catalyst for real and sustained change. We shouldn’t dismiss the negative stories (again, see the 2013 post above for evidence) and in fact need to embrace and own them. However, can’t we also recognize the positives and throw a little sun on a subject area and profession that already gets it’s fair share of the shit?  Fortunately, I asked that question in a Twitter conversation (albeit with less rhetoric…) with Nathan Horne and Matt Ladwig. Matt responded and agreed to allow me to share it here:

Hi Doug, I thought I recognized this name from the CBC interview. It’s too bad that all three of us didn’t get to chat about the paper on air. Of course, we agree there is a lot to celebrate in modern PE, but still much to do. The reason that we titled it in this way is that we need to draw attention to the fact that we still have a long way to go, especially in the US, where we conducted the study. Although I saw that you mentioned that current PE is better serving children, our data indicate very little difference in perceived enjoyment of PE even among those that took the class within the last decade. This is likely due in part to the lack of standardization of teacher training, where at the local level you may sometimes have certified PE teachers that are focused on improving their pedagogy and understand these issues whereas in other cities you may have a coach leading PE with no thoughts about how to make the class meaningful (e.g., only focused on the athletes, maximizing performance). We are exercise psychologists, and one of the underlying theoretical frameworks we work with is exercise hedonics and evolutionary approaches to the lack of PA epidemic. We focus so much on the negatives because we know from this literature that negative, unpleasant memories are often more salient when it comes to making a decision. Therefore, it is extremely important to understand why these negative experiences are occurring. The most especially important bit that has not been talked about much is the increases in these poor memories around secondary school where things like fitness tests and more structure and sport are often introduced. We definitely also wanted to get the conversation started, and I think we have achieved that goal. To really be taken seriously as a promoter of lifelong PA, PE really does need to begin to produce tangible results into adulthood. It is not entirely clear whether what we are doing now is leading to lifelong PA, partly because some components of PE that generations before were required to partake in are still in place. We know that those generations are very inactive, so it may be time to introduce some novel approaches such as what we outlined.

I know this post is getting long – but it’s become a bit cathartic so I’ll keep pushing through. Feel free to go grab a drink of choice, take a bathroom break and then resume reading. That is, if you got this far at all…

This is the point where I move from being ticked to being conflicted. I TOTALLY get where Matt is coming from and appreciate his thoughtful and considered response. We absolutely need to take action in light of these negative memories and (continue) to have difficult conversations as a profession. I think we HAVE been doing this (Hall of Shame articles, Twitter conversations, conferences, research, PD, etc.). However, I question whether the media is the best place to have these conversations.  Is it necessary to ‘air our dirty laundry’ in the public arena? Maybe it is. Maybe it isn’t. What I’ve come to realize though, is the fact that we continue to deal with negative PE portrayals in popular media, social media and all media whether we want to or not. I think overall, PE has come a long way. But it seems, especially according to Matt’s comments above, that we still have a long way to go. Maybe deep down I knew that.

But perhaps even deeper down, for once I want to see media celebrate the progress we HAVE made in PE. Celebrate the PE teacher who hooked a kid on a new activity for life. Celebrate the school that makes sacrifices so their inner city students can have an overnight outdoor experience. Celebrate those regions (like Alberta) with curriculum that includes dance, outdoor pursuits, yoga, educational gymnastics, etc. and not only team sports. Celebrate those PE teachers who work hard every day to make PE meaningful for each and every kid in their underfunded, overcrowded, under-resourced, undervalued program that has to fight tooth and nail for every minute they have with those kids.

My other area of conflictedness (oh, ya, it’s a word) comes with the last sentence of the research paper:

“With more methodologically rigorous and theory-driven interventions, it may be possible to transform PE into a professional field that closely adheres to the continuously developing evidence-base and one that welcomes psychological best practices for the benefit of children and public health.” (p. 128)

I know that we have a ways to go as a profession, but seriously? Is PE really an  unprofessional field, unwilling to engage with rigor and theory and unwelcoming of best practices for the benefit of children and society? Come on. If exercise psychologists (and others connected to, but outside of PE) really want to partner with PE professionals, statements like this are less than endearing or inviting.

Despite the way the article ended, I eventually (OK, it took me awhile) moved from being ticked off, conflicted, then kinda ticked off again to becoming motivated.

  • Motivated to celebrate the progress PE has made
  • Motivated to work with anyone who wants to help us PE folks be better – including exercise psychologists  😉
  • Motivated to celebrate those in our profession that ‘get it’ and are NOT gym teachers…
  • Motivated to embrace the fact that there are both positive and negative memories of PE – we can take steps to learn from both
  • Motivated to continue to fight for the value and efficacy of PE as part of whole child education – using evidence, rigor and passion

Finally, I think that continuing to move PE forward is not solely on the shoulders of PE teachers. We have a job to do, but can’t do it alone. Here’s a few examples of some questions we can ask of each other:

  • PE teachers: how can we monitor our profession and hold each other accountable as we lift each other up?
  • Principals and administrators: how many of you have gone into the activity space to see what’s going on? Ever asked for a PE year plan? How many kids are in the activity space for each PE class (just because it’s a big space doesn’t mean you can put 75 kids in there and have a pedagogically sound experience…)? How much time is provided for PE in the school?
  • Researchers: how are you ensuring the voices of those in the trenches are heard? Are you sharing your work in venues where PE teachers can hear, question and learn? How can you address issues while also celebrating success?
  • School Boards/ Authorities: how are activity spaces provided for in school planning or renewal? How much budget is allocated for equipment/ staff/ field trips? Are you holding schools accountable for the quality of their PE programs?
  • Governments: do you actually recognize the potential of PE as a public health/ quality of life intervention? If so, how can you back up that recognition with clear standards, time guidelines and funding? How many Ministries of Education have PHYSICAL LITERACY as part of their priorities and not always the same old literacy and numeracy?

To sum up, WE ALL need to be a part of CONTINUING to improve the PE experience.


10 responses to “Ticked, Conflicted and (eventually) Motivated.”

  1. Physical Education: The Antidote or the Poison? – drowningintheshallow Avatar

    […] that provides me a job and should be a better advocate to what we are currently doing well. Doug Gleddie makes this point very well in his blog post Ticked, Conflicted and (eventually) Motivated which […]

  2. Is a ‘pedagogy of meaning’ the answer to negative experiences of PE? – drowningintheshallow Avatar

    […] experiences of PE shape our future movement behaviours, but it isn’t all doom and gloom. In Ticked, Conflicted and (eventually) Motivated, Doug Gleddie responds to the research on negative experiences in PE and suggests there are […]

  3. emanciplaytion Avatar


    I loved the article! You are right to point out the “spin” with this piece. Good job!

    One minor thing:

    When the authors said:

    “it may be possible to transform PE into a professional field that closely adheres to the continuously developing evidence-base…”

    I didn’t take that to mean that PE wasn’t already a professional field. I read it as them saying something like, “it may be possible to transform PE, a professional field, into one that closely adheres….”

    I could be wrong, but that is how I took it. I thought they were saying that PE needs be a BETTER professional field, and to do so by incorporating psychological best-practices, etc…

    Regardless of that minor point, I think you are spot-on!

    Thanks for writing this!


    1. dgleddie Avatar

      Thanks for your comment Nate. I appreciate your perspective on the end quote from the article. Glad that you were able to take it that way!

  4. slowchatpe Avatar


    I too get exhausted from all of the negative coverage that Physical Education gets. We are the easy target, the butt of the jokes, the anyone can teach “gym”. The truth is anyone can teach our subject; poorly. Administrators don’t know what Quality Physical Education truly is. If they don’t know, how can they assist and inform the teachers under them? In addition, we are combatting years of negativity where the extroverted athlete was king and everyone else was made to feel inferior. The negative sells. Positivity is a feel-good story that barely garners attraction.

    It is going to take years of us changing the profession in order to be seen in a different light. Our national organizations also have to understand that simply falling in love with movement is more important than anything else. If we taught through that lens maybe people would continue to move when the entered adulthood. In addition, some of us in the profession need to also drink the kool-aid we are packaging. (myself included)

    This poke to the chest should make us angry. It should tick us off. It should be the fire that keeps our candle burning with the goal of creating a positive association with movement for our students.

    Finally, we can use some help from the community. Every psychologist, sociologist, kinesiologist and all the other ologists I missed can also start to change their lens. We know what isn’t working. Where is the research finding out what does? Where are the studies following teachers that do produce QPE? It’s easy to see the problem. It’s not so easy to find the solutions. I too would love to see some positive stories that are highlighting the pockets that have started the change.

    I appreciate your time.

    Justin Schleider

    1. dgleddie Avatar

      Thanks for taking the time to respond and share your thoughts Justin. Your point about ‘falling in love w movement’ is one we need to hear more about. To me it comes back to the purpose of our field – lifelong LOVE of movement. If we keep that goal on the horizon, then hopefully, we don’t get distracted by MVPA, fitness testing or the glorification of sport. As a teacher AND a researcher (order intentional) it is part of my mission to research QPE. That’s one of the reasons I am so pumped to be a part of the LAMPE team.

      Couple thoughts, questions:
      1. Do you think the media would even care about a positive story? I could take the stats from the ‘Memories’ article and share how kids who enjoy PE have a better chance of becoming adults who love movement – but would anyone pick it up?
      2. What, specifically, do you think we should be researching and where are the most important places to share the results?
      3. Who needs to be ‘on board’ who is not right now and how can we get them there?

      Onward and upward!

  5. moosevolleyball14 Avatar

    I appreciate your continued effort in standing up for our profession, Doug! I’ll continue to do what I can from inside my trench 🙂

    Sent from my iPhone

    1. dgleddie Avatar

      Thanks – keep up the good work – the trenches are where it’s at! 🙂

  6. andy Avatar

    Doug, we all need to continue to share and learn from the successes of those who are making a difference in the field. Share, Share, and Share!

    But in sharing our successes, we also have to be willing to share things that don’t go well in our teaching and use critical reflection to learn next steps needed to continue to improve our practice. In sharing only our successes, we can sometimes paint a picture as though everything we do in our teaching is perfect. So, it is critical to share not only our successes, but also when we fall down and what we do about it to keep moving forward in an effort to grow, learn and develop ourselves with the ultimate aim being to inspire students to find joy and love of movement for life.

    I know I’m not telling you anything that you don’t already know or advocate for, but we need to keep reminding, even the very best of teachers, that they must make themselves vulnerable and continually share their failures as much as successes in order to model for other practitioners the need to reflect, modify, adjust, and change teaching practice in an effort to provide meaningful experiences in PE for all students.

    We need to reframe our highlight reels and not only project the very best of ourselves and our teaching on social media, but also share what’s not working in our teaching or share failures we have had as part of that highlight reel and the necessary steps we are taking to model continual growth and learning.

    I loved your blog post and just wanted to share my thoughts. Thanks Doug.

    1. dgleddie Avatar

      Thanks for taking the time to respond, Andy – means a lot! We definitely need to embrace failure and own the mistakes we (the PE profession and us personally) have made. These are learning moments. Some of my questions around these discussion though are to do with where we share. PE teachers sharing ONLY the successes on Twitter is an issue. Sharing mistakes, learning, failure and success is appropriate there. Totally agree with you there. However, there is a time and place to be a critical friend. If I know that a PE teacher at my school needs to change their practice, I go and have a tough, professional conversation with them. I don’t shout it on media. This is the issue I have with the media largely reporting on all the negative stuff while ignoring the progress we have made. I do realize that this is part of the nature of media – good news doesn’t sell nearly as well.

      You and I know that PE is not perfect. While we can acknowledge that fact, embrace the misery that PE is for some – I believe we also have to share what we are doing right. Ultimately, working together to make things better!

      Yup – we really are overdue for a chat over a beer!

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